Comments on: Out on the Street: Gendernomics http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/ The upside of the downturn Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:42:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.2 By: mren http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-888 mren Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:19:10 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-888 \I don’t imagine his ex-wife, who was able NOT to work because of the income he brought in, is any more thrilled at this turn of events.\ Here's why the vitriol: housework *is* WORK, I don't know his ex-wife, but I doubt she was spending her time out of paid work sitting in her giraffe boxers talking on the phone about ski trips. Like Joe, I would be annoyed by being given a chore list, but it sounds to me like he was getting them because he wasn't doing anything. So, the expectation of the \lady\ is that she go out and work and then come home and do more work? I think why so many women are annoyed is b/c so few of us get the choice to simply not do *any* unpaid household labor. \I don’t imagine his ex-wife, who was able NOT to work because of the income he brought in, is any more thrilled at this turn of events.\

Here’s why the vitriol: housework *is* WORK, I don’t know his ex-wife, but I doubt she was spending her time out of paid work sitting in her giraffe boxers talking on the phone about ski trips. Like Joe, I would be annoyed by being given a chore list, but it sounds to me like he was getting them because he wasn’t doing anything.

So, the expectation of the \lady\ is that she go out and work and then come home and do more work? I think why so many women are annoyed is b/c so few of us get the choice to simply not do *any* unpaid household labor.

]]> By: Girl w/Whiteboard at Framingham State College | Girl with Pen http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-757 Girl w/Whiteboard at Framingham State College | Girl with Pen Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:18:35 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-757 [...] gender stereotypes (that DABA article from the New York Times from January and my dear co-blogger Joe the Trader’s piece at Recessionwire called “Gendernomics”).  The students really got it, and I learned from the things they noticed as well.  We talked [...] [...] gender stereotypes (that DABA article from the New York Times from January and my dear co-blogger Joe the Trader’s piece at Recessionwire called “Gendernomics”).  The students really got it, and I learned from the things they noticed as well.  We talked [...]

]]> By: JW http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-674 JW Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:43:32 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-674 Impressive photo: Doing the dishes in a bespoke pinstriped suit, carefully tied necktie and white shirt? Your sleeves are not even rolled up. You sure are keeping up appearances. Since you are now a house-husband, however, I assume that even though you are wearing that expensive business suit, your Italian shoes and silk socks are off your feet and that you are barefoot in the kitchen as the role requires? Impressive photo: Doing the dishes in a bespoke pinstriped suit, carefully tied necktie and white shirt? Your sleeves are not even rolled up. You sure are keeping up appearances.

Since you are now a house-husband, however, I assume that even though you are wearing that expensive business suit, your Italian shoes and silk socks are off your feet and that you are barefoot in the kitchen as the role requires?

]]> By: Sara Clemence http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-439 Sara Clemence Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:23:43 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-439 It's hard for me to understand some of the vitriol aimed at Joe in these comments, and not just because I'm his editor. He never claims pride at neglecting household chores. This essay is about a change of roles that is uncomfortable--and not just for Joe. I don't imagine his ex-wife, who was able NOT to work because of the income he brought in, is any more thrilled at this turn of events. We're all freaked out, and I have great respect for anyone who is willing to tell his personal story with honesty and a sense of irony. It’s hard for me to understand some of the vitriol aimed at Joe in these comments, and not just because I’m his editor. He never claims pride at neglecting household chores. This essay is about a change of roles that is uncomfortable–and not just for Joe. I don’t imagine his ex-wife, who was able NOT to work because of the income he brought in, is any more thrilled at this turn of events. We’re all freaked out, and I have great respect for anyone who is willing to tell his personal story with honesty and a sense of irony.

]]> By: sally hemmings http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-438 sally hemmings Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:32:17 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-438 asghf what? Let me get this straight, your lady works full time and its only after a period of unemployment and resentment that you've begrudgingly started to pick up an iron? Holy lord, my Mom would have evicted you had she been your lady. When my Dad got laid off he went from doing his 50% share to doing everything. And he was a child of the 50s. Grow some balls and get to vacuuming. Being a man isn't about doing the work you want to to prove your manhood, its about doing the work that needs to be done. I'm unemployed myself and when my man gets home I have dinner waiting and laundry folded. My gender has nothing to do with it. asghf what?

Let me get this straight, your lady works full time and its only after a period of unemployment and resentment that you’ve begrudgingly started to pick up an iron? Holy lord, my Mom would have evicted you had she been your lady. When my Dad got laid off he went from doing his 50% share to doing everything. And he was a child of the 50s. Grow some balls and get to vacuuming. Being a man isn’t about doing the work you want to to prove your manhood, its about doing the work that needs to be done.

I’m unemployed myself and when my man gets home I have dinner waiting and laundry folded. My gender has nothing to do with it.

]]> By: urbanartiste http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-407 urbanartiste Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:04:19 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-407 From my experience and perspective there is no such thing as gender division in the home since many women have been working since the husband can no longer solely support the family monetarily. It amazes me that all you talk about is monetary spending. How about your duties as a father? There should be more time to spend with you children. And by the way, many women not married to six-figure salaries have to work and have been working over centuries ago. Unfortunately, back then and now they don't get paid for it. And if your girlfriend is supporting you butt, get off it. You can complain about spending, but you allowed it and I have no sympathy for people, no matter how rich, who spend and don't save. From my experience and perspective there is no such thing as gender division in the home since many women have been working since the husband can no longer solely support the family monetarily. It amazes me that all you talk about is monetary spending. How about your duties as a father? There should be more time to spend with you children. And by the way, many women not married to six-figure salaries have to work and have been working over centuries ago. Unfortunately, back then and now they don’t get paid for it. And if your girlfriend is supporting you butt, get off it.

You can complain about spending, but you allowed it and I have no sympathy for people, no matter how rich, who spend and don’t save.

]]> By: He Said, She Said at Recessionwire | Girl with Pen http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-360 He Said, She Said at Recessionwire | Girl with Pen Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:18:16 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-360 [...] on the Street,” chronicles life after layoff for Wall Street guys.  In his latest, “Gendernomics”, Joe makes a number of great points (especially in comments!) but he also falls into the [...] [...] on the Street,” chronicles life after layoff for Wall Street guys.  In his latest, “Gendernomics”, Joe makes a number of great points (especially in comments!) but he also falls into the [...]

]]> By: Joe the Trader http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-313 Joe the Trader Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:06:18 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-313 Dear "me", Dear dear "me". What can I say? You have shamed me (note: not you) and I am guilty as charged. However, you will be happy to know that I have bought groceries, cooked a lovely recession friendly dinner, called the plumber (not Joe), done laundry but not ironing. Alas no luck with the job. Best, Joe Dear “me”,
Dear dear “me”. What can I say? You have shamed me (note: not you) and I am guilty as charged.

However, you will be happy to know that I have bought groceries, cooked a lovely recession friendly dinner, called the plumber (not Joe), done laundry but not ironing. Alas no luck with the job.

Best,
Joe

]]> By: Joe the Trader http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-310 Joe the Trader Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:07:39 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-310 Target-Addict, I am glad that you live up to your frugal name. I for one would never deny anyone the simple pleasures of fine beer and cheese. But I have found that I can get by on Cabot cheddar (America's first co-op) and Heineken mini-kegs and large format jugs of,say, Captain Lawrence ale. Perhaps your profligate "HUSBAND" will embrace the new financial reality. Best, Joe Target-Addict,
I am glad that you live up to your frugal name. I for one would never deny anyone the simple pleasures of fine beer and cheese. But I have found that I can get by on Cabot cheddar (America’s first co-op) and Heineken mini-kegs and large format jugs of,say, Captain Lawrence ale. Perhaps your profligate “HUSBAND” will embrace the new financial reality.
Best,
Joe

]]> By: Joe the Trader http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-309 Joe the Trader Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:00:16 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-309 Laura Y, You make a very good point about relative wages. While I think that may be an input in the cost cutting decisions of firms in the second round of the recession, to date I believe that the majority of cuts are coming in industries where men have held a disproportional share of the jobs. For instance, 21% of all payroll employees work in construction, finance and manufacturing. Yet of the 3.5mm jobs that have been lost nationwide over the past year, more than 2mm are in those three industries alone. But going forward the relative pay may become a factor for employers. In the spirit of recessionwire, one upside of this downturn maybe that at long last there will be an equalization of pay for men and women. Best, Joe Laura Y,
You make a very good point about relative wages. While I think that may be an input in the cost cutting decisions of firms in the second round of the recession, to date I believe that the majority of cuts are coming in industries where men have held a disproportional share of the jobs. For instance, 21% of all payroll employees work in construction, finance and manufacturing. Yet of the 3.5mm jobs that have been lost nationwide over the past year, more than 2mm are in those three industries alone. But going forward the relative pay may become a factor for employers.
In the spirit of recessionwire, one upside of this downturn maybe that at long last there will be an equalization of pay for men and women.

Best,
Joe

]]> By: me http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-307 me Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:31:54 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-307 God help us that you should take responsibility - that would be beneath any man, right? Seems to me that your pride could do with some ironing of its own. God help us that you should take responsibility – that would be beneath any man, right? Seems to me that your pride could do with some ironing of its own.

]]> By: Target-Addict http://www.recessionwire.com/2009/02/23/out-on-the-street-gendernomics/comment-page-1/#comment-305 Target-Addict Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:42:08 +0000 http://www.recessionwire.com/?p=2056#comment-305 “She doesn’t realize that all the Starbucks soy lattes, smoothies and artisanal cheese add up. She thinks it’s just the big things like vacations and dinners out that cost money. I bet she could cut out well over $150 a week if she really thought about it.” Wow, that's really funny, because that's what I tell my HUSBAND all the time. So while we probably won't take a vacation this year (too much $$, he claims) he'll keep buying his Wolaver's Organic Ale and Humboldt Fog Blue Cheese every week. “She doesn’t realize that all the Starbucks soy lattes, smoothies and artisanal cheese add up. She thinks it’s just the big things like vacations and dinners out that cost money. I bet she could cut out well over $150 a week if she really thought about it.”

Wow, that’s really funny, because that’s what I tell my HUSBAND all the time. So while we probably won’t take a vacation this year (too much $$, he claims) he’ll keep buying his Wolaver’s Organic Ale and Humboldt Fog Blue Cheese every week.

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